By Reverend J. Andrade
It is critical to understanding that being a Demonologist is a calling from God. It is not something that one should do because they have nothing better to do on a Saturday night. This is a ministry and unless one is called to serve in this ministry, they should stay away from the topic because for being involved with such matters, there will be dangerous consequences.
Anyone who's involved in Demonology and certainly Exorcism should be devoted in strong prayer life.
I have studied Demonology since I was 14 years old and there is a big difference between what books say and what the real experience deems as truthful. If one only reads theories but yet has no field experience, I would hardly call them a Demonologist.
Anyone who's involved in Demonology and certainly Exorcism should be devoted in strong prayer life.
I have studied Demonology since I was 14 years old and there is a big difference between what books say and what the real experience deems as truthful. If one only reads theories but yet has no field experience, I would hardly call them a Demonologist.
Once again, to be a Demonologist is a calling from God and I cannot stress enough that this is a hazardous ministry and people should become educated on what those risks are before venturing on this path.
Now what's the difference between Demonologist and Exorcist, you may ask, well a Demonologist is one who has studied Demonology and is able to decipher through knowledge the difference between infestation, oppression and possession. To be considered a true Demonologist, one should have studied under a reputable Demonologist (I'm mentored by Keith Johnson http://www.nearparanormal.com/ ) or Exorcist before claiming to be one.
Demonologist does not perform the Ritual of Exorcism. This Ritual should only be performed by an Exorcist who is validly ordained.
An Exorcist is a validly ordained priest who has the proper education and prayer life to perform the Ritual of Exorcism. This should ONLY be done by a validly ordained priest. Ordination does not mean hitting the “get ordained” button on the internet. This is not considered valid ordination.
BUT!!
If I have studied the scriptures, knowing them by heart in Latin, Portuguese and English, studied Theology, have done deliverance ministry,
Been a missionary, missionary leader, taught Sunday School, held the High Priesthood with the Latter Day Saints (the Mormons), and received the Sacrament of Holy Orders and Patriarchal Blessing .
Would that make me an invalid Reverend? Then I will be subject to the ultimate punishment!
Deservedly, so be it!
Matthew 10:1 (KJV)
And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he
gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out,
and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of
disease.
Matthew 10:8 (KJV) (Jesus to the twelve disciples)
Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out
devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
Luke 10:19 KJV (Jesus to His appointed seventy people)
Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and
scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing
shall by any means hurt you.
Matthew 28:18-20 (KJV) (Power extended to new disciples)
18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power
is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing
them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and
of the Holy Ghost:
20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have
commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even
unto the end of the world. Amen.
Among the "all things whatsoever I
have commanded you" are included the
instructions to "heal the sick" and "cast out
devils" given in Matthew 10:8, above.
Mark 16:17-18 (KJV) (Power of believers to cast out demons)
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And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name
shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new
tongues;
18
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any
deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay
hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Matthew 18:18 (KJV)
Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth
shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on
earth shall be loosed in heaven.
"For with God nothing shall be impossible."
(Luke 1:37 KJV)
" . . . for with God all things are possible."
(Mark 10:27 KJV)
53 comments:
Joe Great post. People believe the media TV, Movies so much they just want to get out there and become a para-celeb themselves. I take my walk with God very seriously. I thank Rev Mark Hunnemann, and Rev Darrell Motal for mentoring me. I have tons of books too, but like you said getting out there and gaining the experience speaks loudly, as each case is never the same but the dangers always exist.
You had me until you posted this
"(I'm mentored by Keith Johnson http://www.nearparanormal.com/ )"
This guy is a commercialized joke..1 interview with him told me that, I deleted it at every site I posted it.. and would never call upon anyone "mentored" by him~
The thing is a true demonologist does not go around blogging how they are summoned by God and how this calling is for the special only, you see what you are inadvertently doing is actually gathering more souls looking for any reason to be "special" and tag themselves with the title of demonologist.
The more you talk about how this special calling isn't for everyone, the more you ring the dinner bell for the unwitting passerby to say to themselves,YEA I hear that calling too!! OMG I must be a real demonologist TOO!
Do you get my point. (I hope)
Funny I don't see Father Gabrile Armoth blogging how special his calling is, did Ed Warren go around pronouncing how special he was? No they are known for their work.
The more you stand at your podium telling all how special this "calling" is the more you will lead down the path to destruction.. whether you believe it (ego) or not.
Who do you think mentored Keith Johnson and his brother Carl? Ed Warren that is who! Also be that as it may, There are many others I have worked with and mentored under. Corresponding with Ed Warren for one in the 80's, Lorraine Warren recently lovely woman, had dinner with stating Ed and I were very much alike. But because of TV social media etc everyone wants to be a demonologist. I know whar rings true to me and let God decide my fate..not any one else
I would first like to say that I have had the honor of working side by side with one of the most humble men in this messed up community we call the paranormal. You guess it, Joe Andrade in NO WAY has ever been anything but humble and thankful for any help he has ever been able to give and to any others who have ever assisted him. We use an Eastern method of cleansing which is a polar opposite way of cleansing that western style is, yet we have worked side by side with Joe giving eachother the utmost of respect for each others beliefs and have been able to collaborate on many occasions. You want to trash Keith Johnson...be my guest...we have had to clean up a big mess of his that left a family tormented also with little dignity to even discuss the case with us...so bash on if you will. BUT DO NOT place Joe anywhere in the same class as the Fame Seeking Wannabe's you see all over the place. In fact, unlike many teams who can not seem to find the family peace and choose to just ignore them than admit they need to try something new, called us in on a case where no matter how hard he tried it kept coming back. Doesn't sound like a man who has an ego and too much pride. As far as calling himself a demonologist, I would like to ask you how you how would find a demonologist if they never let anyone know they were there to help. Joe and his team have helped more people then you will probably ever meet in your life yet will not brag about it just to gain some fame. Those who know him and have had the pleasure of working with him know what he stands for and the selfless acts he has done to offer, initially, strangers a little peace in their life. Oh and yes Vigilante is my title and my calling is to make sure families are safe from the dangers of teams who are clueless....so maybe you can hear that calling too...
It's good that Joe and his associates are not "fame seekers" because I sincerely doubt they will achieve it with this tired schtick.
The self proclaimed Satanic Morman Priest from LDS with a ridiculous internet ordination has spoken!
I encourage everyone to read this little exchange and judge for yourself the legitimacy of this man's "divinity" LOL
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@ Paranormal Vigilante
Babbling, nonsensical rambling on the internet must be the common bond between you and Joe (Clive Nighreed) Andrade
Good grief he even used a line from "The Exorcist" as the blog title.
Well Hello Fred, I was hoping to see you here.
For someone who finds Joe to be such a fraud you are VERY INTERESTED in what he has to say. Why is that really?
Oh yea I forgot to ask where and when you had the pleasure of meeting Joe, since you seem to know him so well and how dignified he is?
"Babbling, nonsensical rambling on the internet must be the common bond between you and Joe (Clive Nighreed) Andrade"
Well I can see that stalking blogs and commenting about things you know nothing about seems to be what you like to do. Look at that we are getting to know each other so well.
You still haven't told me what contributions you have made to the paranormal community to be so critical of others who are actually making a difference in peoples lives? Since you are so opinionated about it, it must be something really special. Did you catch some unexpected fog over a lake, or maybe a mysterious orb on the dirt path?
Again, please keep in touch, I love our little talks, and you just keep checking out those old cemeteries in hopes of catching "the holy grail" of paranormal evidence to show off to your para-buddies and we will take care of the important stuff like helping families in need.
Light and love to you my new friend
OHH King, ever think that was the point? A title people would recognize that would easily explain what the blog would be about...
Its actually a common journalist strategy when choosing a title.
@ “Paranormal Vigilante” (snicker)
I have no clue what the “cemeteries”, “orbs” and "EVP" references are about or how they are germane to the topic at hand, but I suspect this is just a diversionary tactic and yet another exercise in futility.
Reading through your semi coherent posts I have concluded that you must have an internet degree in Fallacious Logic and a doctorate in Straw-Man arguments. That tempered with the cogitative dissonance of a deluded paranormal media hopeful desperately groveling for the slightest of acknowledgement and recognition.
This is not a question of MY contributions in the "paranormal community" (whatever that is) for I am not the one posting absurd blogs to bolster my claims of having been hand selected by God to cast out demons, nor am I attempting in vain to convince readers of such on an internet blog.
So Joe has “helped more people than I will ever meet”?...Why am I just so certain that none of you can substantiate any of these declarations with one single, solitary shred of quantifiable, repeatable, empirical evidence?
I’m not stalking anyone; I merely stumbled up on this nonsense by chance and questioned the temerity of making such outlandish claims. The irony here is that you all claim so vociferously not to care what we think yet you react with such knee-jerk volatility.
I must admit this is quite a resume:
Satanic Priest, Morman Priest, Necromancer, Demonologist, Internet Ordained Reverend, LDS member, savior , helper of more families than I will ever meet ( Parter of the Red Sea, water-walker)
LMAO!
Hi Joe.
I found this blog due to following the link back from the NEAR website.
You have a right to express your feelings and thoughts about what you do and this does not reflect a lack of humility. You also are not inviting the 'would-be demonologist' to join the bandwagon - - that box was opened long ago -- not by you.
Also, don't let the comments about Keith throw you. Odds are Cassiel has him confused with Carl anyway. Despite the fact that they are identical twins, their approaches to the paranormal are completely different- Carl's being very metaphysical (use of divination in various forms) and Keith's being more a Christian deliverance ministry in nature.
Drama is inevitable, especially for those of us in the 'Work'. When speaking our minds about what we do, we need to have a very thick skin.
Keep doing what you do.
~Sandra :)
Alas you have nothing to proffer in your meager and laughable attempts to validate all of these alleged supernatural powers Joe has been imbued with by The Almighty.
There is nothing special about your silly little para-TV emulating, cookie-cutter "team" aside from having the inability to back up inane claims with cold hard facts and evidence.
The way some of you carry on, one would think that demonic possession/oppression/infestation was as common as termites when in reality it is extremely rare at best.
BTW- supportive posts by insipid sycophants does not constitute evidence sorry ;)
Dang Fred, you are a one man wrecking crew lol
I like the way "Paranormal Vigilante" keeps using the fact that her team doesn't believe orbs and mist in photos are paranormal somehow by default proves that Reverand Joe has been granted the power of Christ to chase away demons. I agree that this is a really lame diversionary tactic.
Fred,
Say the word I will give you all the names and numbers of people who can offer "evidence". You can believe their word since so many others have posted all their "evidence" from these same families all over the place yet offered no real help. But really in the end...again, as far as I am concerned, I have no need to prove anything to anyone. Since faceless internet bullies who think their opinions matter, have no bearing on me. Our reputation with anyone who matters in this field and with the families itself stands on its own. Your belief in me is trivial at best.
Again, if you do not like what Joe writes, stop reading it. If it is so obvious that he is a joke, then everyone will see it and they do not need your help.
That is unless your resume/profile is:
Lonely virgin who has never had a real friend outside my virtual playmates. I spend most of my days "blogging" my comments everywhere because it makes me feel like a tough guy with something important to say. Although I have yet to really contribute anything of merit, I still give it my best shot. Oh did I add that I find myself very witty and funny, but no one else does.....Sound about right?
King,
"Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn others, or it will all come back against you. Forgive others, and you will be forgiven."- Luke 6:37
I am not using any tactics of any kind. I hide behind nothing. I just would like to understand that if Fred can judge a man so harshly that he has never met, based on what his own belief are....Then I have the right to ask (judge) what makes him so special, and what are his credential that make him the expert.
@ Joe.. LMFAO!
Bless her heart, Loraine Warren is almost completely senile and my heart goes out to her as I do like her and when she was coherent she was very kind to me many times. I don't believe for one second she told you that her dearly departed husband and you were a lot alike. Let me tell you this also, I could care less who mentored those jokers or you and I sincerely question anyone who name drops to thinking that lends credibility to their story.
Oh and I think your “fate” is getting decided right now and by God himself dear.
You have absolutely no answer for me other than to name drop some commercialized pay per-demonic haunt Para-convention clowns?
I say your kind (low level bloggers) are a very dangerous bunch, glorifying demonic battle like you do. I am in agreement with Fred, you have never had an encounter with anything such as you claim nor can you verify of validate what you claim. As long as there are those like you who seek fame and glory through glorifying demonic encounters, there will those who watch and point it out to the world. And you sir are no Ed Warren, nor would I lay the bet he would approve of you if he were still here. ;)
@Fred, looks like you have old "vigilante" a bit miffed (or excited) LOL
Vigilante? what a name, sounds like a woman embittered, LOL anywho- just wanted to thank you Kirby, king, fred,cassiel, for some of the most entertaining reading Ive had the pleasure of enjoying for quite some time. I have to agree it sure seems there are a lot of these self proclaimed demon-hunters popping up.
Sure "Paranormal Vigilante"
post the long list of names and numbers that will undoubtedly prove that Joe has evicted demons from their lives.
Awww....do I detect a hint of frustration in your increasingly hostile posts? hmmmmmm?
You can stomp your stubby little feet all you like, call me an internet bully and make other childish insinuations simply because I questioned some very questionable statements BUT you cannot sufficiently back any of the claims you make PERIOD
And I agree that charlatans like these are dangerous.
Frustration….HELL NO, I am enjoying my time here with you tremendously. I love this connection we are having.
I think the confusion here is that this seems to be the age old Technical VS Spiritualist mentality. The technical mind needs proof of everything. Unfortunately, there will NEVER be any kind of proof that everyone will agree on. Psyched about your “Class A” EVP……go ahead, post it. See how many people ridicule it and call you on it as fake and altered. Real “proof” will never exist; at least nothing that everyone can agree is actually legitimate. So laugh all you want and search all you can, you will realize that once you have made up your mind about a person/team, nothing they ever do will be proof for you.
Spiritualist could care less about capturing the perfect picture to show off to the para-world, or capturing the clearest EVP so all other teams will think we are so “cool”. How do you “prove” a calling? Maybe I can go ask the priest at the local church to show me proof of his calling. Or maybe I can ask Amma (I know you have no idea who she is, but she is one of the greatest Spiritual Leaders of our time. Take a second and check her out on the web and all she has done as a humanitarian. But don’t bother with Facebook since she only has 33 likes there, guess she never got the message that you are only as important as how many “likes” you have on FB) to prove her calling, because without proof then how can any acts of kindness she performs have any legitimacy unless she can prove her “calling”? Come on now, at least think before you ask for something as ridiculous as proof of his calling.
Is it because his chosen path is spiritual in nature that he needs proof? Everyone has a calling of sorts when they chose what they want to be when they grow up (don’t worry Fred you will have one when you become a big boy too). If your reasoning for not believing Joe is what he claims to be is that he has no proof then why doesn’t everyone in every chosen profession have to prove what lead them to their path. Is it because you do not believe in the same things he does? So then it is just that you never learned to have respect for other’s beliefs, which then makes your opinions even less valid.
Spiritual teams do not need to prove the spirit world exists or why we chose the path we are on because we know who we are and why we are here and faith cannot be seen so it cannot be proven. Even if it could, you have made up your mind already so any “proof” would be a big joke right.
Go back to the blogs where you can make comments on things you understand. If you choose not to believe what Joe claims is his calling and what he is meant to do with his life, good for you, you have the right to your opinion. But only a truly ignorant person would actually feel so compelled to try and call out a person because of the spiritual journey they are on. No worries though, I just keep going cause I find this all very amusing, as well as a good way to deal with my insomnia.
Joe is a good friend of mine and the only truly honest person I have worked with in this field. I have met many close minded, self promoting, arrogant morons…..but not many honest people who practice what they preach. If you want to trash something, go back to your Unity pages where the majority of the posts are bashing others and the people involved yell unity pretty loudly but have yet to practice it because they can not see beyond their inflated egos. But when you know who you are and what you stand for, no silly little comment doubting your intentions will ever break you. Joe I look forward to a new blog….I feel like a kid on Christmas waiting to see what ignorant remarks are coming next. And Kudo’s to you Joe, seems like ya got some people taking a big interest in you. Maybe I underestimated how great you are. I mean if all these same people keep coming back for more Joe Andrade (Demonologist) it seems you may have a few fans.
You must really be a glutton for punishment or just entirely too stupid to realize just how badly you are losing (I suspect the latter)
Oh yes, it’s all just beyond my capacity for comprehension and this is why it all seems like such complete and utter CRAP that you cannot validate in any way, shape or form.
If you and Joe were on personal "spiritual journeys" that would be fine but you are offering to "help families" when you are GROSSLY unqualified to do so and this is where frauds like you need to be stopped. Do any of you have medical degrees? Are any of you licensed psychologists? Have each and every one of the family members of the "countless" families Joe has "helped" been thoroughly screened for potential psychological and physiological melodies, the symptomatology of which often mirror a perceived supernatural disturbance? Has Joe personally consulted with each of those attending physicians then sought out and cross referenced a third and possibly fourth opinion? Has every site been screened for the presence of toxins, molds or allergens?
I highly doubt it.
People like you are dangerous and heaven forbid you ever cross paths with an emotionally/ psychologically compromised individual or someone that is suffering from health issues. The fact that clowns like you and Joe come waltzing in to private homes claiming you are there to save the day with the power of Christ in your pockets makes me sick and you should be ashamed of yoursleves.
And once again, why are you babbling about EVPs and now "unity"? What precisely does any of this have to do with me? I'm not a "ghost hunter". Why are you attempting to divert attention from your deceptions with the pseudo-science of contemporary ”paranormal investigators”? It didn't work before and it wont now.
My goodness, you have quite a limited little repertoire don't you? Your fatuous quips and moronic little barbs are every bit as ineffectual as you are uneducated.
And for the record: No, I'm not a "virgin" but after viewing your photo I'm sure you could serve as an inspiration for many a young man to remain as such.
Merry Christmas :)
HAHA,,,,I am sure you are a looker yourself...WAH WAH the big meanie thinks I am ugly...You think I am losing yet you just resorted to a 'your ugly' comment..... amateur
Believe me, I NEVER lose...
Do not talk to me about helping families. Joe and I are not on the same team just respected friends but if you would like to know, yes we do work with a Licensed Therapist...Melanie Cabrera...PRISM is the team name for her if you would like to check that out.
Unlike you, I am out there helping families...many of which who were tormented and exploited by the "proof" seekers in the field.
We have helped families who gave up on the paranormal because of all the fraud, hence why the Paranormal Vigilante came to be. To shut down teams from entering residences when they have no means to help.
You know nothing of what I have ever done and the things I have seen, so unless you have some fact stating otherwise, do not judge me, you do not know me.
ECLIPSE is our team and you can go take a peek there if you wish to see what we stand for. We are not children playing ghost, we have made a difference. You want proof I could send you NUMEROUS testimonials, I have many people who would call you themselves, but you see the problem here is you THINK you know it all and no matter how much I gave you for proof you would disregard it, so why bother even asking.
Leo is actually a gifted medium who has help many people, both living and passed find peace. We have helped the authorities with cold cases to finally find the answers.
So stop talking about things you know nothing about. I need not your approval or for you to believe in anything I say, because you can not break the truth. So no matter how many times you want to lose it about people being in harm, unless you plan on getting out there and trying to change it and make a difference.....NOTHING YOU SAY MATTERS.
I enjoy people like you. The ones who yell the loudest about all the injustice and all the horrible things people are doing yet you do nothing to make a difference. Well besides stalk blogs and talk about what everyone else should or should not be doing.
I do not sit on the computer throwing out my opinions of what should be done, I actually go out and do something about it. You do not need to preach it if you practice it my friend.
And remember, you are reading blogs from a man you have never met yet you seem to be the authority on what kind of man he is. Its the closed minded, opinionated know-it-alls that the world should be worried about. Your ability to judge a person so harshly without knowing him is misdirected self loathing. You somehow feel like a bigger man for trashing others. That is actually something Melanie may be able to work through with you also. You have a lot built up in there...maybe a med change is in order.
So like I said, I do not need to prove anything to you, and based on the fact that I see I got your morning off to a beautiful start...I WIN...
As a contributing member of this staff at the Eye I just want to say;
Paranormal Vigilante: personal comments are not helping your point of view and you have stayed way off topic.
Fred does have some valid points and maybe we could address these issues (as adults) I have bullet pointed as these are my concerns and I feel are valid
*Fred one thing I really hate to see is a man calling a woman ugly so please no more comments like that.*
So why don’t we start over and become what we perceive we are PROFESSIONALS and ADULTS
>If you and Joe were on personal "spiritual journeys" that would be fine but you are offering to "help families" when you are GROSSLY unqualified to do so and this is where frauds like you need to be stopped.
>Do any of you have medical degrees?
>Are any of you licensed psychologists?
>Have each and every one of the family members of the "countless" families Joe has "helped" been thoroughly screened for potential psychological and physiological maladies,
>The symptomatology of which often mirror a perceived supernatural disturbance?
>Has Joe personally consulted with each of those attending physicians then sought out and cross referenced a third and possibly fourth opinion?
>Has every site been screened for the presence of toxins, molds or allergens?
Thank you~
Oh I must have missed that part since I was so overwhelmed by your big words...be all uneducated like.
You are not even in the field at all? Oh then SHUT UP!!! You are not only judging people you do not know, but you also seem to know what happens when we are helping families. Wow that's impressive.
Don't believe what you see on TV my friend, if you would like to go say something about them be my guest but you are clueless and have no right to an opinion on this matter.
And thank you...yes I find myself quite witty..Hey if you can't laugh at yourself right...
Why don't you at least got find a subject you know something about and maybe then your arguments will hold some weight.
Paranormal Vigilante once again I will ask you to STOP with the personal attacks and now I find you completely wrong.
Hi Joe, the questions posed are legitimate and should be addressed as such but by you.
I like your blog and back you 100% and I think Fred has posed some of the tougher questions I dont approve of some his other posts but he does has valid concerns and those concerns reach into the community and all of us are affected when a person of status as yourself speaks, that is why I am hoping to hear from you about these issues.
The asking of questions is not an attack on anyone, in fact any scientific approach or practical question is welcomed, questions help us learn and grow from what we thought we knew to what we do know.
Hmmm…she hurls a barrage of very personal insults at me in her increasingly desperate diatribe then claims it is me that has to resort to insults? Priceless.
@ "Aanica":
I agree that my comment about her serving as the “inspiration for virginity” was overkill and obviously unnecessary at this point.
@“Paranormal Vigilante”
I'm glad you a capable of laughing at yourself since everyone else seems to be laughing at you but you are far from "witty".
So what does it mean to be "in the field" and what qualifies you as such a distinguished member? I must say you are one heck of a walking contradiction since all of your other posts seem to convey a seething distain for others "in the field". Just an FYI-you are not in any "field" you are a silly little girl in the Land of Make Believe.
Answer the questions or SHUT UP
>Do any of you have medical degrees?
>Are any of you licensed psychologists?
>Have each and every one of the family members of the "countless" families Joe has "helped" been thoroughly screened for potential psychological and physiological maladies, the symptomatology of which often mirror a perceived supernatural disturbance?
>Has Joe personally consulted with each of those attending physicians then sought out and cross referenced a third and possibly fourth opinion?
>Has every site been screened for the presence of toxins, molds or allergens?
Tick tock –tick tock
A licensed "therapist" means NOTHING; did she get that certification online too?
Yes do post all of those testimonials and precisely what difference have you made?
Your “team” is a joke and you make me laugh.
A licensed therapist means NOTHING; did she get that certification online too?
Yes do post all of those testimonials and precisely what difference have you made?
Your “team” is a joke and you make me laugh.
Quote:“Paranormal Vigilante”
“Leo is actually a gifted medium who has help many people, both living and passed find peace. We have helped the authorities with cold cases to finally find the answers.”
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So why doesn’t “Leo” take the “Million Dollar Challenge” offered by the James Randi Foundation and donate the proceeds to a charity of his choice? Kind of seems like it is very selfish of him to deny impoverished families these funds they so desperately need.
Also please provide evidence that you worked with any law enforcement agency in an capacity and that his psychic impressions directly led to the resolution of ANY case. If not; stop making silly claims you have no intention (or capability) of backing.
Cold, hard facts only please or you are just someone playing ghost buster.
So Paranormal Vigilante, nobody has the right to question any of this nonesense unless they are a paranormal investigators with EMF meters?
And sorry but Fred won this half a dozen posts ago.
Quote: @“Paranormal Vigilante”
So stop talking about things you know nothing about. I need not your approval or for you to believe in anything I say, because you can not break the truth. So no matter how many times you want to lose it about people being in harm, unless you plan on getting out there and trying to change it and make a difference.....NOTHING YOU SAY MATTERS.
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So in essence if I show up at a home where someone has all of the symptoms of schizophrenia, insist that individual is possessed by a demon(s) and I proclaim that I have been selected by God to cast out the demon, then and only then would my opinion be valid?
Should I make all sorts of obtuse and ridiculous claims I cannot validate? Would that qualify me?
Actually it is you that knows nothing about either demonology or The Spiritualist Movement, your posts prove this and the only “difference” you will ever make is by substantiating my contentions.
I checked out the ECLIPSE site ( the team of "Paranormal Vigilante" and (get this) they are proud members of The Official Ghost Adventures Crew
BWA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG are you kidding me?
@AAnica I had never seen you ask me to stop before, so please accept my apologies and I will gladly go back to my world that does not involve blogging. Like most things, it always seems to be a bunch of people degrading others that they have never met. I came in on the post from the beginning and if questions were asked in any kind of civilized manner I would have moved on. I was just in checking on my friends blogs and found the lack of respect for another human being by mocking and making a joke of something he holds very sacred to be totally tactless. No one was asking questions, they were passing judgment and mocking, there is a difference.
Here was a question....Show me evidence you have helped anyone? I could forward numerous testimonials from families we have helped who would even accept a phone call to back it up. Do you honestly believe he would not mock everything they have to say. Some of these people have been through enough and they do not need some man in need of anger management telling them to go to a shrink even after they have been "paranormal" free for 1 or 2 years. These question that you seem to think are legitimate are in some ways impossible. How do you prove a calling? Invite your divine over for dinner so he can let everyone know? Its not a legitimate question its and ignorant one.
Fred Brimstone said...
The self proclaimed Satanic Morman Priest from LDS with a ridiculous internet ordination has spoken!
This was Freds first comment on this blog. Maybe because I do not visit blogs often so I am out of the loop, but you really believe this man has anything legitimate to say. That he really wants to learn anything about anyone? I apologize for having no idea who you are, but I assume you have something to do with the website, so if you find that my 0 tolerance for ignorant people who think it is somehow their “calling” to judge people they don’t know based solely on the others beliefs; I will respect your page and this will be my last post.
FRED FRED FRED…..
Since this is my last post, let me first say I have enjoyed my time here with you. Every once in awhile I do go to my Land of Make Believe where I convince myself that for the most part, there is good in everyone. If I never had the chance of meeting others such as yourself I would always remain in that land, so thank you for bring my back to reality.
I’m going to cover all the medical questions at one time. 1st, let me say that ECLIPSE is usually called in on an emergency basis on other teams cases. So when I walk into a home and I am confronted with a frightened family, because I am a human being with a heart, I don’t care what other issues they have. IF they want us to cleanse their home and remove any actual spirit or just negative energy we will offer a cleansing. No one has ever been harmed by receiving a little extra positive energy. That is unless you of course think they have, then I will have to once again change my view of life because you don’t believe in what we do. Oh and you are right I should ask for the physicians number when I watch a team member be thrown against a wall and then another is scratched across the face by something we could not see. Yea my bad, next time I will ask whatever it is to just wait I have a few calls to make.
Fred Brimstone said...
Yes do post all of those testimonials and precisely what difference have you made?
Your “team” is a joke and you make me laugh.
I have posted sections of testimonials, yes. You said you were on the page, and since you now seem to think you can judge us as a joke you must have read every word right? I do have the full testimonials and names and numbers of families who have gladly offered to take personal calls if we ever need them to. The problem is, you are so set that everyone and everything is fraudulent that even though you have asked, and I would gladly send them; you would do nothing but then mock people who do not need to be dragged into this disaster. It would also mean you would have to give your real name or how to reach you and cowards do not usually do that……so as for this part, yes I do have the testimonials to back up my claims.
As for Leo taking the “challenge”, no true medium would allow themselves to be played like a sideshow freak. If you need proof of the people he has helped, stop by his personal page and ask any of the people who express their gratitude to him. If you are not a believer, you never will be. End of story. You want to hear from people who have turned to him for help, even if they only ask for advice in an email, and let them tell you he has helped them then ok….again, like the testimonials, I will not allow innocent people who have needed us in the past and are always willing to share their stories for the sake of helping others, be judged and ridiculed by you. See you can come at me all you want. I LOVE IT!!! But I do not allow the people in my world to be bashed by someone like you.
OK really, so you think that I would not get in a little bit of trouble by giving you names of police detectives we have/are working with on cold cases, all for the sake that some nameless bully on the internet needs proof. Even you cannot be that stupid.
Bobnoxious said...
So Paranormal Vigilante, nobody has the right to question any of this nonesense unless they are a paranormal investigators with EMF meters?
I am sorry but I think you are mistaking me with someone who cares about an EMF Reader. That’s where the disconnect is here. Which is why I find this all so humorous. Technical teams care about evidence; spiritual teams want to find people peace. He of course can ask a question but I keep reading and reading this blog to find ANYPLACE that he posed a question in a respectable and inquisitive way. He started out with little class and went down hill from there. And Bob you think he won…..You are a grown man I assume, if someone called you a virgin playing on your computer, would you get so upset that you would actually answer by stating you were not one…lol I found that very funny, and the fact he needed to state he was not a virgin (again I guess I may be wrong by assuming he too is a grown man), what real man would answer that LOL See to win is to bring the other person to a place they cannot handle, and because they are talking about an opinion and not facts, they can get frazzled enough to think they need to publicly proclaim the state of their virginity. Ok Fred I am sorry, we are all aware now that you have had sex…good for you…
Fred Brimstone said:
So in essence if I show up at a home where someone has all of the symptoms of schizophrenia, insist that individual is possessed by a demon(s) and I proclaim that I have been selected by God to cast out the demon, then and only then would my opinion be valid?
Ok I am now wondering if you spend too much time on the computer or watching tv. I would then like to state that we are practicing Buddhists and conduct peaceful rituals for cleansings during the day. No yelling and added drama. You claim to have read my articles because that is how you found out how uneducated I was, but if you had you would see that there is a whole article actually agreeing with you about this method of handling residential cases. (I know hard to believe, something we agree on) Western cleansers believe that energy/spirits can only be moved around on the same plane of existence. Which is why they yell and damn things to hell and chase it outside into the woods. Perfect so whatever they think they chased out is either going to wait and come back more pissed or grab a new family. But you see this is how TV producers get new episodes. The reality is, it’s not what you see on TV. In Eastern beliefs we also believe you can only move energy or change it but not destroy it; the difference is we move it to a new plane of existence, in a linear sense rather than just push it around and just send it off to a new home.
Again, you are using a narrow frame of reference which is why I said if you have never even been in the field your questions do not matter. You are asking us to take responsibility for para-celebrities that are looking for their 15 mins of fame, so they put on a good show. No true investigator would ever consider possession as an initial evaluation of any situation. In fact most investigators or just anyone in general will NEVER experience or witness a demonic haunting, never mind a possession. So once again, you have assumed, because unlike popular belief you never asked about it, just passed your judgment on the matter; that everyone is just like the people you see on TV. You have called my team a joke, yet I was never asked a single question about how we conduct consults with families or how we handled cleansing, yet somehow you KNOW we are a joke.
GAC crew…now if you were as cleaver as you think you are stop for one second and think about it. Why would have had that there (which by the way, the fun was over so the pictures may be on the page somewhere but not on our logo and we never did anything in the name of “GAC Crew” I actually do not know where you found it, but good detective work.) The peaceful spiritualists who are anti-provoking being part of GAC Crew, how odd? It was a time when the world was TAPS FAMILY crazy and some were just crazy. They assumed it meant something to be part of the family. Since I find TAPS boring and was sick of cleaning the messes that inexperienced investigators that proudly displayed their TAPS affiliation, as if it would veto any harm they did by entering a residence and being in over their head. So we went for the CREW. They never claim to want to help people cross over, or assist scared families. They are in places who want them their so they will make more money. They are provoking spirits that have been documented as trying to harm people at the location. Just like in life, you get what you give…they want to provoke a bully spirit in an abandoned building that’s what they do. They at least do not present themselves in any other manner.
They are actually one of the only open minded TV teams also, and have tried to learn about other cultures and called on the help of mediums and other spiritual assistance at times. So yeah we were GAC CREW and I will display it again if I was told it was that or support a team like TAPS who claims to help families, yet told a woman her dream house was haunted so she should go with her scared grandchild and just tell it to leave…and then they left for the big announcement that Grant was leaving and the paranormal community just could not handle this horrible news.. Yeah well before I was FORCED to watch that episode to see what this announcement was I didn’t even know the guys name, nor did I care. But unlike some I spent WEEKS trying to find out the name of that family so we could offer them true help since that was the most disgusting display of residential investigating and help I have ever seen.
So I think I have covered it all. Annica I tried to find these legitimate questions you spoke of but could still not find them so I hope I have at least covered all the ones that falsely judge me and what I stand for. Please by all means if you feel the need to ask me anymore of these very important question, in the very sensitive way you do, all for the sake of gaining knowledge; you are more than welcome to come find me at Paranormal Vigilante on facebook. Understand that this is in no way me giving in and “running” away because I feel I am in over my head. But unlike some, I do like to show a little class and dignity and if anyone running a page has asked me to stop, no matter how twisted the reasoning may be….I will stop. But please, I welcome all you want to bring to me over on my FB page. Now Fred you may need to make a fake page so no one will know who you really are because I understand that is how opinionated cowards like to do things. See again, from the beginning I let you know where you could find out about me and had nothing to hide, hell I will offer my personal email, because I know who I am and what I stand for and do not need to hide for fear that people will find out the truth about me. You want to know about me please ask…
So I am off, thank you for helping me realize why I do not go to blog pages. I wish I could find the rational thinking that lead to the thought that I was “attacking” anyone by defending my friend as well as myself. I guess some of us that actually go out into the world and do things have a different understand of how to treat others. But Fred I do want to say, congratulations on losing your virginity. I am glad I was able to give you that opportunity to let people know that you have indeed had sex. That must really be a weight off your shoulders. So happy blogging and I hope some of you come on by for a visit.
@ "Aanica":I agree that everyone should act like adults while posting. I am happy that you enjoy and support Joe's blogs.
That being said, Mr. Brimstone has asked some very relevant questions but each one has been in an accusatory,and inflammatory tone. His attacks on Joe have gone unchecked thus far.
Joe has tried to answer these questions, only to be met with ridicule. It seems to me that Mr. Fred Brimstone's so purpose is to act as "the school yard bully".
I am sorry if I am off base with this assessment, but I have not seen anything to make me believe otherwise.
These derogatory posts started long before the Paranormal Vigilante came on the scene.
My advice to Mr. Brimstone is to not judge a person solely on a blog. It is only a very small part of the person.
My advice to Joe and PV is to wash your hands off Mr Fred Brimstone if he persists on trying to belittle your faith in what you do.
And now my advice to you Aanica is that if you are a member of the Eye On the Paranormal staff and have the authority to moderate, please step forward before the name calling starts. Unless you do this, you will never be an effective moderator.
”OMG I have a demonic emergency, I better call ECLIPSE pronto! (a member of the Official Ghost Adventure Crew)”
LMAO…,
Odd how those countless incidents where “a team member is thrown against the wall and scratched across the face” are never captured on camera isn’t it? I guess the “unseen forces" ONLY do this when they know the cameras aren’t rolling right? So it’s completely acceptable for a team to carry a GAC logo but not have video surveillance enabled at the site of an alleged disturbance?
You offer to provide testimonies twice and I accept the offer, then you retract the offer with yet another lame excuse. Then you tell me I should go to some “page” and ask the members of the families myself, (when she just said she wouldn’t provide this information because I would just mock them) and then I should go to some other site and read them for myself. (Fred doesn’t do Facebook) It’s almost like you are arguing with yourself.
Oh Paul please, like anyone believes you are just some unbiased observer LOL…if Joe can tirelessly battle the supernatural minions of the underworld, surely a “schoolyard bully” like this mortal should be of little consequence right?
You notice how she (Paranormal Vigilante) does everything to avoid answering the questions… accuses me of needing anger management, (I would describe my pervasive mood as bemused) I mean seriously, anyone reading this would find it patently obvious that the only one here that is “angry” is “Paranormal Vigilante” (a name that even implies anger) She babbles on and on about EVPs and dust orb thinking this inanity will divert attention to the crux of the issue: the potential harm these ridiculous, unqualified hacks can do. Plus she even admitted to chasing down some private citizen on FB to “help them”? It hardly seems like anyone is beating down your doors for “services” …if self-promotion wasn’t your intent, you wouldn’t be here yammering on incessantly about what a crusader and humanitarian you are.
Again, Answer the questions or SHUT UP
>Do any of you have medical degrees? (no)
>Are any of you licensed psychologists? (no)
>Have each and every one of the family members of the "countless" families Joe has "helped" been thoroughly screened for potential psychological and physiological maladies, the symptomatology of which often mirror a perceived supernatural disturbance? (no)
>Has Joe personally consulted with each of those attending physicians then sought out and cross referenced a third and possibly fourth opinion? (no)
>Has every site been screened for the presence of toxins, molds or allergens (or infrastructure contributors)? (no)
I think we have a team to submit to WorstParanormal
Question(s):
How many demonic or malevolent disturbances do you encounter (on average) per month?
Approximately how many "messes” have you “cleaned up" left by other "teams" dispatched to battle the forces of darkenss?
Thanks :)
GAC and their show are as fake as any other paranormalteam that has a TV show
I have a book coming out in the next 30 days nock on wood concerning the GALKA family case featured on their show called " TALKING TO THE DEVIL" which they did a bad job on and lied about many issues
ALL para reality shows are faked
And all teams that carry the GAC logo are FAKE.
Yes you lost Paranormal Vigilante and you are just digging yourself a bigger hole with each imbecilic reply you make.
Oh BTW-there are tons of “enlightened gurus” out there these days that also embrace Eastern philosophies and traditions(some actually know what they are talking about unlike you) So this angle is nothing new either and it only impresses your uneducated Facebook cohorts.
Mr. Brimstone, I never called you a schoolyard bully, only that you are acting one. Also I have never claimed to be an unbiased individual so please allow me to correct this now and formally introduce myself. I am Paul Davis and together with Joe founded Nightbreed Paranormal. The Paranormal Vigilante is a close personal friend of mine.
I have never had the pleasure of meeting you so I have absolutely no basis to judge you by and I would never presume to do so. What I have read from you, on the other hand, only leads me to believe that you are trying to be antagonistic instead of trying to have an actual discussion.
Once again I will apologize if I am off the mark where you are concerned, but I haven't seen anything to make me believe differently.
No need to respond at all because I will no longer be reading Eye On the Paranormal. I wish you all well
No Paul, I asked some very legitimate questions and voice legitimate concerns and I was met with juvenile jabs and infantile insinuations ...I'm not singling Joe, P.V. or you out (don’t flatter yourself), I just happened to be just sick enough of reading all of these type of claims on the net. When I just by chance read Joe’s initial blog here I decided to delve into this a little further. The hostile, defensive and childish responses I received only served to solidify my pre conceived perceptions and demonstrably illustrate my contentions.
I will admit that Joe seems to have reined it in a little and even attempt to clarify his beliefs and God appointed vocation as a demonologist in this latest blog and I acknowledge this, but it hardly validates or justifies you and your ilk running amok in the private sector playing demon slayers when the lives and psychological integrity of those you claim to be “helping” may be severely compromised.
Why don’t you answer these questions Paul?
>Do any of you have medical degrees?
>Are any of you licensed psychologists?
>Have each and every one of the family members of the "countless" families Joe has "helped" been thoroughly screened for potential psychological and physiological maladies, the symptomatology of which often mirror a perceived supernatural disturbance?
>Has Joe personally consulted with each of those attending physicians then sought out and cross referenced a third and possibly fourth opinion?
>Has every site been screened for the presence of toxins, molds or allergens (or infrastructure contributors)?
Now I ask you; would any of you contact this “person“ for assistance with any supernatural or spiritual issue?
This is what she has posted on her FVB page:
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Quote: “Paranormal Vigilante"
19 hours ago
I hope my new friend Fred comes on over to try and hurt my feelings....lol....OHHH silly Fred. Just so you all know I was asked to leave a blog because I was sticking up for what I believe in. Meanwhile I was being judged and mocked by a man who doesnt know anything about me, yet feels like a tough guy trying to be an internet bully. I left the page with dignity because if the owner doesn't wan
t me there I will go.....but before anyone things I gave up understand that I invited them all over her so we could al enjoy them....and why would I have to give up when I frazzled a grown man so much that he actually felt the need to state within this public forum that he indeed was not a virgin, and then something about me being ugly. Thank you Fred, that will forever be the greatest moment of my vigilante life. As you were mocking my friend, I did mock you by referring to you as a virgin male with only virtual friends, but the fact that it upset you so badly that you need to public let everyone know you were not.........CLASSIC”
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Yeah, REAL classy and professional LOL
BTW I've pretty much said all I have to say JOE. My advice would be to scamper back to Fantasy Land and let the laughter die down a little instead of employing the assistance of these inconsequential companions, it will just prolong the agony.
PART 1
pv you said:
[@AAnica I had never seen you ask me to stop before, so please accept my apologies and I will gladly go back to my world that does not involve blogging.]
Good idea
Then you missed it because its there
[Like most things, it always seems to be a bunch of people degrading others that they have never met.]
Most of what I read that you have posted is vile and degrading, overzealous, extremely hyper-emotional and aimed at an individual.
[I came in on the post from the beginning and if questions were asked in any kind of civilized manner I would have moved on. I was just in checking on my friends blogs and found the lack of respect for another human being by mocking and making a joke of something he holds very sacred to be totally tactless. No one was asking questions, they were passing judgment and mocking, there is a difference.]
So you wanted to gang up on Fred..
PART 2 brackets are around quoted dialog
There is a difference and the difference is Joe can handle himself but you taking this upon yourself to spew forth some of the lowest class babble I’ve read in sometime. YOU only instigated and destroyed (what was) a very nice blog (into exchange that had not damn thing to do with you)
Now its message is lost.. and it’s nothing but low brow brawl of jabs and personal attacks way beyond what was ever necessary to get a point across. Grow up, it’s not about you.
Joe writes here for a reason and is man enough to handle himself. I am betting this is not the first time he has been asked similar questions. Yea- bloggers get questioned and most can handle it.
[Here was a question....Show me evidence you have helped anyone? I could forward numerous testimonials from families we have helped who would even accept a phone call to back it up. Do you honestly believe he would not mock everything they have to say]
Wow... as a matter of fact I know he would not, you?… I’ve never heard of YOU- EVER
So yes I will back Fred on that. So you just can’t handle the heat? (Good reason not to blog)
[Some of these people have been through enough and they do not need some man in need of anger management telling them to go to a shrink even after they have been "paranormal" free for 1 or 2 years.]
WHAT? ... WTF ..Where do you get this crap?
Here is where you and anyone who thinks like that are wrong. Psychological evaluation from licensed professionals is crucial to healing!
What if Fred is right and you don’t have a “possession”, or an “extreme haunt” but rather an unstable person? Or a person that is mentally ill and in need of medical evaluation? What then? How are you helping what is possibly a case of mental illness by preforming some rituals or using some ridiculous gear without through and PROFESSIONAL investigation procedures!
[These question that you seem to think are legitimate are in some ways impossible. How do you prove a calling? Invite your divine over for dinner so he can let everyone know? Its not a legitimate question its and ignorant one.]
The only “ignorant question” is the one not asked.
That was not the only question posed funny you focus on that one but don’t address the others I guess that’s because you cant..
Let me re-post the questions so everyone will see they are legitimate and are actually very common among those groups that strive to be professional.
#1
If you and Joe were on personal "spiritual journeys" that would be fine but you are offering to "help families" when you are GROSSLY unqualified to do so and this is where frauds like you need to be stopped.
#2
>Do any of you have medical degrees?
#3
>Are any of you licensed psychologists?
#4
>Have each and every one of the family members of the "countless" families Joe has "helped" been thoroughly screened for potential psychological and physiological maladies,
#5
>The symptomatology of which often mirror a perceived supernatural disturbance?
#6>Has Joe personally consulted with each of those attending physicians then sought out and cross referenced a third and possibly fourth opinion?
#7>Has every site been screened for the presence of toxins, molds or allergens?
I will have to say thank you for posting my reply, I was out when I wrote it and could not see all the comments on my ipad... so I do apologize to Joe, Kirby.. I didn't get back home until late. I did not know she was asked to leave. (good idea)
Thanks guys :)
If you and Joe were on personal "spiritual journeys" that would be fine but you are offering to "help families" when you are GROSSLY unqualified to do so and this is where frauds like you need to be stopped.........Explain to me the legitimacy of this comment...the only joke here is the lack of knowledge any of you have for faith and spirituality......Again those who matter know where to find us when they need us....I just pray for the safety of those of you who choose to ridicule people who try to help, that you do not find yourself in a situation that requires you to need help. on the ECLIPSE FB page there are segments of various testimonials send me a message there an I will be happy to forward the full testimonial along with the contact information for the family.....oh and i figured i would check back to see how "tough" everyone got after I left...thanks for not letting me down. And fred next time you visit PV site, drop a line..ask some questions there, others will help you too...
@ “Joanne DiuPonte”
I don’t recollect reading any replies from you anywhere, but oh yes, you certainly are intimidating LOL.
Why are you all so terrified of carrying on the conversation here where it began? We were only instructed to not engage in any personal attacks and this is why Miss Vigilante elected to leave, contrary to her claims of being booted.
See the pattern here? We have no right to pose these very legitimate questions and very real concerns because none of us could possibly comprehend their God appointed mission and the spiritually ascended plateau of existence in which they dwell. AGAIN; a personal “spiritual journey” is just fine but for you to insinuate yourselves into the lives of naïve/uninformed people under the pretense of cleansing their homes of evil entities is reprehensible and could obviously exacerbate an already complicated problem (if one even existed in the first place.
Yes, please do visit the “ECLIPSE” FB page and see all of the hysterically funny photo shop captioned graphics they have posted there. (and not much else).
How about you? Since the others have such an apparent aversion to these questions and you claim to be the courageous one, why don’t you answer these questions the others have tap danced around like Danny Kaye on acid.
>Do any of you have medical degrees?
>Are any of you licensed psychologists?
>Have each and every one of the family members of the "countless" families Joe has "helped" been thoroughly screened for potential psychological and physiological maladies, the symptomatology of which often mirror a perceived supernatural disturbance?
>Has Joe personally consulted with each of those attending physicians then sought out and cross referenced a third and possibly fourth opinion?
>Has every site been screened for the presence of toxins, molds or allergens (or infrastructure contributors)?
(I’m going to go back and make a count of how many times these questions have gone unanswered)
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