Welcome back to our latest issue of Eye on the Paranormal, the first and only weekly blog that takes a critical look at the world of the paranormal.
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Who Forted The online paranormal magazine. In time, we hope to see many, many different articles and features written by people from all over the paranormal scene. Hell, even people who aren't from the scene. Diversity, honesty, and obviously humor, are key elements to this concept.
Paranormal Skeptic “I hope to introduce many here to an eye opening blog about a certain TV show that is misleading the public and now its cast is making threats to sue the bloggers, the radio host and one of their own clients.”
Demon Designer Advocate for truth and putting an end to paranormal fraud, exploiting people, and making a mockery of paranormal investigation to make a buck. I'm DD from the A&E board.
The Ghost Divas On Tuesday, November 18, their profile was suddenly deleted. They now have a very upfront blog over here: http://www.ghostdivas.blogspot.com/
SUNDAY – DARKNESS RADIO’S DARKEST HOUR
It’s been another bad week for folks in the paranormal field. More lies, more deceptions, and more distortions of the truth. And more para-celebrities selling out their listening audience for the sake of a few crumbs and dollars tossed their way. When will they learn as long as the folks over at the Eye on the Paranormal are watching out for the average Joe, there’s no place we won’t go to uncover the truth and expose the lies?
It seemed that just about every day had breaking news so let’s run through the week that was or what many are now calling, The Darkest Hour for Darkness Radio. In reality, Darkness Radio is now wishing they hadn’t done that segment.
Sunday, November 16. Last week a well-placed source within Paranormal Research Society informed us that Chip Coffey, Ryan Buell, and Michelle Belanger were set to appear on Darkness Radio on Sunday night. For those of you who don’t know, and going by the ratings, that would be most of you, Darkness Radio is hosted by Dave Schrader on Saturday and Sunday nights. It’s simply a dressed up infomercial for Dave Schrader’s paranormal buddies to promote their books, DVD’s, ghost tours, conventions, and paranormal reality programs. It’s taped, they don’t take callers, and quite often, as was the case with the Paranormal State hour, it was not only rehearsed but scripted to get the points across that Ryan, along with Chip and Dave, wanted to get across. You’ll notice that they can never face their accusers or debate in public but will only appear in setting where they are in total control.
It seems that many emails and phone calls between Chip, Ryan and Michelle was exchanged with Dave about what was to be asked and how it was best to go about preplanning the hour so as to avoid mentioning Free All Spirits and smear Kelli Ryan’s reputation.
Dave Schrader, for those who don’t know, has a strong tie to Paranormal State, PRS, Ryan Buell, and numerous other para-celebrities that have appeared on Paranormal State. It’s funny how they tend to end up on Dave’s photo page. Here’s the link: Paranormal State A&E Filming
In addition, Chip Coffey has an advertisement for the Darkness Rules program on his MySpace page and is being financially compensated to appear at a 3-day Darkness Radio event at the Queen Mary in Long Beach. I would gladly debate Chippy on any of those three days, but I’m not holding my breath for a response.
Thus, ethically, Dave should have excused himself from doing the interview. He has both a professional and personal relationship with Chip and Ryan, so he couldn’t ask the hard questions that needed to be asked. And his conduct on the program would have to be questioned.
That being said, things are becoming more desperate by the hour in Paranormal State-land, as they once again try to use lies, distortion, and deception to cover up the truth. They need to learn that the truth is always mightier than the lie. But should we expect such behavior? No. They chose to utter lots of lies, deceptions, and distortions within that 60-minute interview. And we’ll address them here, as now Chip Coffey and Michelle Belanger are starting to change their stories.
~1 Lie - Ryan states that Kelli did not contact the Paranormal Research Society after the show completed filming to ask for help. The truth – she did, and got either no response from PRS, only from an A&E employee who stated, “hey, didn’t you get some help already?”
~2 Distortion – Ryan says that many of Kelli’s statements are an exaggeration. Well that means that there is some truth to what Kelli’s claiming but Ryan fails to inform the listening audience of such.
~3 Deception – Dave Schrader repeatedly throws out a rehearsed line that if he was ever part of a show that did anything deceptive he’d walk off the set. Just as he would know that Chip and Ryan would as well. This is an old propaganda psychological ploy that if you hear a phrase often enough you believe it to be true.
~4 Deception – Ryan can’t keep the same number of episodes that deal with demons straight. A few weeks ago it was only two – prior to the “I Am Six” episode, also known as “I’m Looking for a Hollywood Deal”, which would then make it 3. But now according to Ryan it’s 4, which is not the truth at all. Ryan makes it seems like neither he nor anyone else at PRS, including Chip, ever watch the episodes.
~5 Lie – Ryan now claims that he is called in on a regular basis to investigate, as well as perform exorcisms, for the Catholic Church. Just a few weeks ago, it had been just a singular case. And now he says it happens on a regular basis and he doesn’t talk about those cases. Newsflash to Ryan: You’re talking about them now. And how did Ryan, who has never been trained in the field of demonology, or ever witness a live exorcism, become a person that the church now calls upon on a regular basis? Can anyone say ego out of control, here?
~6 Lie – Ryan states that there are only 10 people that question the validity of PRS and Paranormal State. Ryan seems not to use Google as often as Chip does; it’s now more like thousands of people are who questioning the show’s validity.
~7 Lie – Dave Schrader claims for Ryan that all the dissenters out there are simply being jealous. That jealousy card is getting old and worn out. But let me say this again. I am not jealous of Chip Coffey, Ryan Buell, or of the program Paranormal State. I value too much my faith, integrity, and clear conscience to be jealous of their shenanigans.
~8 Lie – Ryan states that he values the church and is often called to give them guidance when it comes to exorcisms and demonology. Yet he openly violates church rules and doctrines in the “I Am Six” episode.
~9 Deception – Ryan says he only worries about getting approval from a small, select group of people. And one of them happens to be Lorraine Warren. This is a Freudian slip, I think, when you view all the deceptive practices that she used to sell the Amityville Horror Hoax. She has tutored Ryan well as he is copying her techniques to sell the Paranormal State Hoax.
~10 Distortion – Ryan states early on in the interview that Paranormal State has the most diverse professionals out of any of the paranormal programs on the market. But what he fails to address is this: why do they use the same people over and over and over again?
~11 Deception – Ryan claims that he doesn’t read the anti-Paranormal State blogs that are out there, which isn’t the truth. Ryan is quite the reader of all of them according to numerous authors who track visitors to their sites.
~12 Distortion – Dave Schrader comes up with a really wacky theory that you couldn’t claim that the TV show “Starsky & Hutch” was a bad show because they didn’t portray the life of cops as they really were. Someone needs to tell Dave that “Starsky & Hutch” was a totally fictitious program, where the show Paranormal State presents itself as a DOCUMENTARY, which is a factual program. There is a difference between fiction and fact.
~13 Lie - Chip Coffey gives an almost entirely bogus account of why Kelli Ryan contacted PRS. It was never about Bill’s ghost, he wasn’t causing the family any trouble. They were being troubled by a very dark entity that was in the house prior to Kelli and her husband moving in, and her spirit guide said for her not to take it on.
~14 Lie – Chip says that Kelli had a negative relationship with her grandfather, and she got upset and started to cry when he brought it up. Thus, according to Chip, it was abusive. The truth? Kelli was crying because she loved her grandfather so much, and had such a good relationship with her grandfather. She couldn’t understand how any psychic could be so wrong, and Chip’s psychological bullying to accept his inaccurate theory upset her.
~15 Lie – The beer can. Chip does his best to rehash the party line from PRS Central concerning ParaBeerCanGate. But it didn’t wash then and it doesn’t wash now.
[1] Budweiser was Bill the ghost’s favorite brand, but Bill was not haunting the hallway or the spare bedroom, it was the dark, evil entity.
[2] If it was planted by some other member of PRS then why is blank and blank’s fingerprints on the can?
[3] If it was planted without Chip’s and Ryan’s knowledge, why did it remain in the episode?
[4] What about the figure on the bed that Ryan now says he didn’t see?
[5] Why wasn’t the general public ever told about this event prior to Free All Spirits exposing it as a deceptive act?
~16 Deception – Chip thinks that Kelli has some kind of desire to have more time in the spotlight. Truth is, Chip, she could have had more time and a much easier one, if she simply said you guys did a great job, and went along with your deceptions. But Chip has difficulty understanding that not everyone has to live in the limelight.
~17 Lie – Chip is making much ado about the Ghost Cottage sign, which is only a small plaque in the flowerbed, given to Kelli by friends. As to the tours that Kelli offers, viewers of the episode asked to see the house. In addition, the area that she lives in is greatly dependent upon tourism dollars to survive. State, wildlife, and game authorities have shut down the fishing along the coastline and in local rivers for 3 years. Those who live in the area are desperate to supplement their income.
~18 Deception – Michelle Belanger never does come out and say the outburst and her and Chip’s fight never happened. Listen as Dave Schrader says it never happened. Chip goes “uh huh” but Michele remains quiet.
~19 Distortion – Michelle never brings up the fact that Kelli:
[1] Gave her a sweater that she’d been making for 2 years.
[2] Kelli gave Michelle a reading and told her some very personal things that no one had ever picked up on in the past.
[3] Kelli had numerous talks with both Chip and Michelle about her long time psychic work.
[4] Never did she ever say to Michelle, or anyone, that she had abandoned her psychic gifts.
~20 Deception – Listen for Michelle’s effort to give out Kelli’s home address.
~21 Lie – This might be the biggest lie of them all. Chip and Michelle try to sell a story about a long, hard journey through the mountains to Kelli’s home that just got them there in time for the second Dead Time. And that’s why Michelle walked out of the taping. The problem with this story is that it would get them there 2 days into the filming of the episode, which does not fit the way the events happened. Because Chip even states, in his own blog, that he arrived there the evening before his taping began.
~22 Distortion – Chip should know better -- just by telling a spirit, forcefully or not -- doesn’t mean that the spirit will leave. It seems as if Chip’s trying to say that either PRS couldn’t or wouldn’t give Kelli the help that she needed.
~23 Lie – Chip states that he is never fed information from producers. If this is true, then how does Chip explain comments that he’s made in interviews where he talks about how he’ll sit down and strategize with the producers on how to approach his walk-throughs?
~24 Lie - Chip claims he never talked to an Eric Leven at A&E. Which is kinda funny as Eric was the casting producer on 6 of the episodes that Chip was in this year.
~25 Deception – Chip builds up “The Glove” episode, which is the episode that Michelle Belanger helped in planting fake evidence. Maybe that’s one more Freudian thing.
~26 Distortion – Michelle Belanger claims she’s the go-to person for Paranormal State in occult matters. Then what is “Occult Specialist” Eilfie?
~27 Distortion – Dave Schrader basically says some things are faked on Paranormal State to make it a better show.
~28 Distortion – Chip says anyone would sell out to be a para-celebrity appearing on a paranormal show. No, Chip, only people who are solely interested in fame and fortune and to be in the spotlight constantly would sell out. I still can spell and know the meaning of the word ethics. What about you?
So, thinking that Dave Schrader was interested in the truth, and not just the bottom dollar, I contacted him with this email.
From: Free All Spirits
Date: Nov 17, 2008 11:59 PM
RE: Equal Time
Dear Dave,
I just heard the show concerning Paranormal State and all the half truths and lies that have been leveled at Kelli. I would like equal time to rebut what has been said.
Your friend in spirit,
Kirby
Which led to this well thought out response:
From: KTLK-FM's DarknessRadio™ Dave
Date: Nov 18, 2008 10:11 AM
whats your number
I shot back, knowing that Dave couldn’t handle the truth anymore than the rest of the Paranormal State crowd could.
From: Free All Spirits
Date: Nov 18, 2008 7:23 PM
Thank you for contacting me.
I am on the road quite a bit and no telling what times I'll be back in L.A. If you're interested in having me on the show, give me dates and I'll see what works. As for Kelli, I doubt if she'll be able to be on the show because she'll be filing legal action against Paranormal State within the next few weeks and will be unable to make public comment about the matter.
Your friend in spirit,
Kirby
From: KTLK-FM's DarknessRadio™ Dave
Nov 18, 2008 8:58 PM
Kirby To be truthful, I think its best to leave things alone.
You have more than had your chance to be heard, you have blogged, you have bulletined, you have appeared on other shows, I think everyone has heard your version more than enough at this point.
I allowed Michelle and Chip on my show as they had approached me and are my friends.
The thing that I allowed to happen was to have them address the lie being told on thier behalf.
Fact is; Kelly said they had a feud, Kelly said Michelle called Chip a fraud and had to stand up for Kelly, and both Michelle and Chip both said that never happened, nothing even like it. So, they addressed the allegations and cleared them up. I dont see how more rehashing is going to help.
This isnt a slight to you, its time to put the BS in the past and if Kelly has a legal leg to stand on, she will get her day in court and her side will be heard.
Lets leave it to the courts at this point.
Dave
So we now see that all of Darkness Radio was an infomercial to sell Paranormal State and Chip Coffey, to sell their lies, deceptions, and to witness the selling out of Darkness Radio.
MONDAY – PARA-CELEBRITIES THROW TEMPER TANTRUM & GET GHOST DIVAS KICKED OFF MYSPACE
On November 17 I logged onto Blogger to read a hateful comment sent anonymously from Chip, Ryan and Topher. They don’t have the guts to use their real name; they either have to come at me anonymously or with the initials J.R. It not only was aimed at me, but the missive expressed a lot of actual hate towards the Ghost Divas. So I in turn sent it to them. I knew it came from Chip Coffey or Topher, they used a phrase of Mr. Kirby, that appeared in one of Chip Coffey’s blog comments, which you can still find on his MySpace page. The Ghost Divas placed the email on their MySpace blog and proceeded to roast Mr. Coffey Bean, who got very upset Chip yelled and cried at some lawyers, who in turn contacted MySpace and threatened to file a lawsuit against them, the same way Mr. Coffey has threatened to sue me, but has yet to do. Thus, MySpace removed the Ghost Divas and eliminated over 2600 friends, 3 years worth of comments, photos, and blogs.
I guess it’s all right for Chippy and Topher to send out a comment full of hate but when others speak of the truth they can’t handle it.
You see, a few weeks ago, Chip Coffey sent the Ghost Divas an email concerning his desire to clear the air on me and Kelli’s investigation. The condition was that The Ghost Divas could never tell anyone what was said. Then that would free Chip up to do as he normally would do and say that the Ghost Divas now support him 100% and they ethically could do nothing. But the Ghost Divas, being the wise ones they are, said what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. They stated that Chip would never be able to talk about the phone call. Well, Chip never contacted them again.
WEDNESDAY – BISHOP LONG EXPOSES PARANORMAL DECEIT
The Ghost Divas luckily returned to MySpace and appeared on Blogger to the displeasure of many over in Paranormal State-land. But things only grew worse for Ryan Buell and Chip Coffey later that night.
On the Ghost Divas program broadcasted on Para-X radio, Bishop James Long, a leading expert in the field of demonology and exorcisms basically laid bare every single lie, distortion and deception that was aired on the “I Am Six” episode, also known as “Can I Get an Emmy For My Performance?”
FRIDAY – CHIP COFFEY RUMORS FLY
November 22 – Babs, who is one of Chip Coffey’s female sidekicks and a go to person when Chip needs a spokeswoman, revealed on Kelli Ryan’s blog that Chip had contacted the FBI over an alleged rumor that someone had threatened him.
Now I’m sure the good men and women that make up the FBI and who are on the front line of America’s war on terror, fighting the Mafia, and providing security as the threats mount against our incoming President’s life, will set aside everything and focus all their investigative powers and put Chip Coffey’s rumor on the top of their list.
Some suggest that this is a ploy on Mr. Coffey’s part to appear on the next season of Fox’s show “24” and Jack Bauer is going to be sent to Atlanta, Georgia to protect Chip Coffey.
Why doesn’t Chip just tell the FBI who made the threat, where they live, and when and how they plan to carry it out? You see Chip has a 100% accuracy rate when he appears on the Paranormal State, thus his readings should be totally trusted and this information would help the FBI cut back on their manpower in investigating his case. But you see folks, there’s no threat. It’s just another tactic in Chip Coffey’s limited arsenal of trying to deflect our attention from the truth.
Well, that’s all for this week. Well, not really. If you want to read more come back next Saturday and yes, it is a holiday weekend, but the truth needs to be told, no matter what the time of year it is. In addition, on Monday, December 1 [8-10 CST] I’ll be a guest on Spooks R Us on Para-X radio and it’d be nice to have you all there.
CALL TO ACTION:
Just tell A&E you won’t watch them as long as Paranormal State is on the air. And share with them all the lies and deception that are taking place. Here’s the contact information:
A&E Television Networks
235 East 45th Street,
New York, NY 10017
212-210-1340
1925 Century Park East, Suite 900
Los Angeles, CA 90067
310-201-6060
It seems some folks just can’t learn to tell the truth and their lies just get sadder and sadder. The people over at PRS/PS have been caught red-handed. It’s time to ‘fess up.
For those who are unaware, during the investigation that was part of Paranormal State’s THE MESSENGER episode, it seems that the participants from PRS decided to plant a cold can of Budweiser on a bed to get Bill the ghost to appear.
Ryan and Chip enter the room and Ryan claims he picks up a cold spot and when the intrepid pair flip on the light they claim they see an outline of a person on the bed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyHjjDR9JBQ&feature=related The Messenger, Part 2
There are 3 things everyone can do in the effort to get the truth out to the general public and proper authorities. They’re free, and will only take a few moments of your time. But they can pay off big in exposure.
1) Call, write, and/or email Anheuser-Busch, Inc. and tell them that their product is being used without their permission and in an act of deception. Tell them it is reflecting badly on the image of such a respected corporation. Also, you might pitch some new taglines for their Budweiser Beer product. Mine are:
~ FORGET ABOUT MILLER TIME – IT’S DEAD TIME!
~ TAKE A SIX PACK OF BUD TO THE GRAVE WITH YOU!
~ THE KING OF DEAD BEER – BUDWEISER
~ BUD – THE BEER FOR THIS LIFE AND THE AFTERLIFE!
1 800 DIAL BUD
(1 800 342 5283)
Anheuser-Busch, Inc.
One Busch Place
St. Louis, MO 63118
Copy and paste this into your browser:
http://contactus.anheuser-busch.com/Email/email.aspx?Site=IB
2) Lakeshore Entertainment is the production company behind the film “The Exorcism of Emily Rose.” It’s very clear that PRS/PS and/or Laura’s family is ripping off the story from this fine motion picture for the sake of 15 minutes of fame. Even Paranormal State puts to use the 1,2,3,4,5,6 from the film. So the production company should both be warned and compensated, or have the I AM SIX episode yanked. Here is the contact information:
Lakeshore Entertainment
9268 West Third Street, Beverly Hills, CA 90210 USA
Phone: [310] 867-8000
Fax: [310] 300-3015
info@lakeshoreentertainment.com
contact@lakeshoreentertainment.com
www.lakeshoreentertainment.com
3) Penn State is an established institution with a spotless reputation for serious research and above board practices. The president of the university needs to know how PRS is using and abusing its image. Call, write, and/or email them about what is happening.
Graham B. Spanier
Office of the President
0201 OLD MAIN
UNIVERSITY PARK, PA 16802
(814) 865-2507 or 814-865-7611
E-mail: president@psu.edu
THE PARANORMAL MOMENT OF TRUTH CHALLENGE
Dear Ryan Buell, Chip Coffey, Lorraine Warren, Sandra & Keith Johnson, Dr. Ron Milione, Tony Spera, Shannon & Jeff Sylvia, C.J. Sellers, Chris Moon, Michelle Belanger, Chad Calek, Michael & Marti Parry, Mark & Debby Constantino, Kim Russo, David Schrader, Reverend Andrew Calder, Reverend Bob Larson, Grant Wilson, and Jason Hawes:
I have expressed concerns about how you conduct your investigations and the validity of those investigations, where anyone with a clear and discerning eye can see that they are not authentic. I have also witnessed heavy-handed tactics being used against people who question your alleged authority within the paranormal community and dared to raise questions concerning the validity of appearing on the A&E shows, Paranormal State, and Psychic Kids: Children of the Paranormal. I can no longer sit by in silence. That is why I came up with The Paranormal Moment of Truth Challenge, which will benefit you, your organization, the paranormal field, and a charity that would be assisted from the donation of the prize money.
1 ~ It would silence your critics if you are determined to be telling the truth about all your claims and how they are presented. There can be no one left to challenge your honesty and integrity.
2 ~ It would not only benefit your organization, but it would also help the entire paranormal field. Because if such evidence is true, it will be brought to a much wider audience, which hopefully would fuel additional legitimate investigations. So it’s a win-win situation for everyone.
3 ~ The charity of your choice would have the prize money donated to them. If the truth is being told, that prize money could reach $500,000.
So, what is The Paranormal Moment of Truth Challenge? I am sure you’ve heard of the Fox Network program entitled The Moment of Truth. This is where a contestant is hooked up to a lie detector test and asked 50 questions, of which 21 of them are used on the actual show. As long as you tell the truth, you keep on winning money -- up to $500,000. The production company, Lighthearted Entertainment Inc., would jump at an opportunity of doing a show with the two of you. And I will put my personal credibility on the line and appear, as well. For if you visit my Free All Spirits page (www.myspace.com/freeallspirits), you’ll notice that I personally make what some would call outlandish claims concerning my work as a Demonologist/Exorcist/Paranormal Investigator/Caring Spiritual Adviser.
If you would like to be "one step closer to the truth" then this is a way to achieve your goal. If interested, please contact me at this email address and I will get the ball rolling as soon as possible.
Your friend in spirit,
Kirby
To date, this is the response that I’ve received from them.
Why not do the show? Only you, the paranormal field, and a charity of your choice would benefit.
INFORMATION REQUEST: If anyone wants to share any information with their experiences involving the PRS, Ryan Buell, Chip Coffey, and any other para-celebrity that has made an appearance on Paranormal State, whether it is good or bad, I would like to read it. Your confidentiality is 100% guaranteed.
NOTE: Please feel free to copy and paste this and place it all over the web. And, unlike any of my other blogs, you can even repost this under your own name!
23 comments:
"I guess it’s all right for Chippy and Topher to send out a comment full of hate but when others speak of the truth they can’t handle it."
You cant handle it either,deleting unfavorable comments. Your such a hypocrite
ditto what truthseeker said!
Great blog!
It's funny how in a world where people are searching for the truth.. that is what they fear the most.
idiots
As TV watchers of paranormal shows, I have to say, us viewing public are not stupid!
During the very first episode of Pasranormal State, my SO turned to me and said, "Do they REALLY think peole believe this bullshit? How fake is this!"
My SO went on to state that it was very obvious Paranormal State is 100% staged.
As for Ghost Hunters, sometimes they are just too silly, and WHY is the camera never pointing in the right direction? Case in point, the episode where the coat hanger flies off the rack TWICE. On the second time, IF it was real, why was there not a camera pointed directly at the coat rack, since the pair of you were waiting for it to happen again? BECAUSE then us viewers would have seen the production crew, picking it up and chucking it!
Man I hate that these shows insult the TV viewers intelligence.
I just found this blog, I am not affiliated with the paranormal, in fact, anything to do with it scares the pants off of me, but, I know a TV trick when I see one, and I see them on shows like this A LOT!
Anonymous and others: The problem is not the debunking, the problem is the hypocrisy. You need to first see where he's coming from (or rather pretends to come from) and then comes off sounding like the creator of condemnation.
You just haven't read it all from the beginning, it's awfully pathetic. A lot of attacks.
I think everyone needs to give Kirby a break here. PRS needs to be shutdown for good! They are what is exactly wrong in this community. It used to be about passion and the desire to learn and do research and also help others.. in the words of Mr. McMahon.. "It's all about the money!"
For SciFi, Travel Channel, A&E and the History Channel it IS all about money though. We knew that from the get go simply because we knew beforehand that they are solely in the business of making money and not in the business of pacifying those already in the realm of the paranormal.
YouTube hits dictate that debunking is only successful if you show evidence. Kirby talks it but never shows it and instead only words. Within those words he slams individuals (judgmental) just before he closes with, "Your friend in spirit" amongst other things.
Those "other things" I mention above, Kirby has since removed since I commented last week. As well, he has edited thehell out of some of his posts accordingly.
That is a blatant admission of guilt when someone does that.
He probably saw it in himself when he went back to review what I told him I saw. It was major hypocrisy.
So which witch is which. A hypocrite or a paranormal researcher that's trying to or being instructed to pull the wool over our eyes.
Hey, if Kirby has changed his tune and settled down that's one thing. All of the blog posts and comments you 'needed' to see were all deleted or modified as will this one as soon as he sees it so y'all really don't know everything that has transposed over the past week or so.
Truthseeker does, their posts were deleted too.
One cannot expect to debunk and then remove the thoughts and ideas of others.
Personally, I think ALL of the paranormal shows on TV are all a bunch of crap but I still watch them and I still post them because people really do enjoy them and there is nothing wrong with that. I actually like the personalities of those on the Ghost Hunters so I watch that one just because I like those two. Very personable people.
Those are numbers that essentially create ad dollars and then that money is spent on of all things 'other people'. It's just one more thing that makes the world go around.
They're not going to modify someone's belief system based on what Paranormal State, Ghost Hunters or especially Ghost Adventurers is doing. If they do then they were simply too naive to be watching such things in the first place and nothing will change that.
Mainly though, I don't think the programs should be picked apart by singling out 'individuals' within the show when I know darn well what those channels do is always corporate. If they're going to sensationalize, then that's a corporate decision and not the decision of the investigators so it shouldn't be held against them personally.
There may be an exception to that rule with Zac since that's his 'thing'. To me it's very unappealing, but to a different personality, they think it's cool. lol For that matter, unfortunately the masses do think it's cool. Scary thought, but true.
There are over 300 Paranormal State videos in YouTube. On only pages one and two there are 40 videos totaling 1,624,473 hits. Considering the remaining videos (accounting for Paranormal State only), they have approximately 11,400,000 hits total. Consequently, Kirby is spitting in the wind because those numbers are too powerful and those people are going to make up their own minds and corporate television channels are going to continue to make the big bucks and that's what it's all about anyway.
atrueoriginall said:
"One cannot expect to debunk and then remove the thoughts and ideas of others."
talk about hypocrisy...try posting anything remotely negative about the buellshite or toward the coffey kooks on THEIR website and you'll be banned instantly.
not to mention the way chip goes around threatening anyone who disses him with lawsuits, and then the PRS posse gets people's myspace blogs deleted.
please don't whine about hypocrisy and try to defend PRS in the same post because that's nonsensical.
atrueoriginall said:
"Personally, I think ALL of the paranormal shows on TV are all a bunch of crap but I still watch them and I still post them because people really do enjoy them and there is nothing wrong with that."
i agree. they ARE all crap. and i used to watch them to laugh at the idiots who think anyone takes them seriously. then i started reading forums and realized that there ARE plenty of idiots who take them seriously.
i don't really watch them anymore. if something controversial is happening, i'll look it up on youtube. so there goes your "look how popular" the shows are cause they get youtube hits. people watch them on youtube cause it's easier to catch all of those attempts to deceive.
atrueoriginall said:
"Mainly though, I don't think the programs should be picked apart by singling out 'individuals' within the show when I know darn well what those channels do is always corporate. If they're going to sensationalize, then that's a corporate decision and not the decision of the investigators so it shouldn't be held against them personally."
if it were presented as FICTION, then you might have a point. they don't present it as fiction. (at least, PRS doesn't) in fact, they want you to believe everything that is shown is REAL and not staged.
actually, even if it were presented as fiction, people would still have the right to laugh at them or voice negative opinions about them. it's the american way. it's called freedom of speech.
these people are going around calling themselves WARRIORS for chrissakes. and chip -- where does one even START with the likes of chip --- they put themselves out there, they make money from what they do -- if what they're doing is absurd then deserve to be mocked.
what they're doing IS very, very absurd.
the people who defend these organizations and their shows are the ones who are very, very scary. they're the scariest part of this whole paranormal media fiasco, actually.
"the people who defend these organizations and their shows are the ones who are very, very scary. they're the scariest part of this whole paranormal media fiasco, actually." what? they are crazys who need to be locked away? OMG that is incredibly ridiculous! Just because people like them doesnt make them wackos. People are entitled to like what they want and choose for themselves. "these people are going around calling themselves WARRIORS for chrissakes. " ok, SO frickin what
I take all of these paranormal shows with a huge grain of salt. Now that’s not to say I don't get a kick out of watching them purely for entertainment purposes only. They're a hoot, nothing more. Why people are getting so upset about either defending these shows or dissecting them blows my mind. Relax people, at the end of the day - is it really going to make a difference in the big picture of the world? I say no.
i said, and truthseeker quoted me: the people who defend these organizations and their shows are the ones who are very, very scary. they're the scariest part of this whole paranormal media fiasco, actually.
truthseeker3:
"what? they are crazys who need to be locked away? OMG that is incredibly ridiculous! Just because people like them doesnt make them wackos."
folks -- above you have a fine example of a PRS fan person who either
a) can't read
b) can't comprehend
c) likes to make things up
(just like PRS!)
this is why they are so scary. they are incessantly either intentionally or unintentionally clueless.
truthseeker3:
"People are entitled to like what they want and choose for themselves."
your point? no one has stated otherwise.
that said, keep in mind that plenty of people liked jim jones and chose his ideal for themselves. AND THEIR CHILDREN.
like i said, **scary**.
"your point? no one has stated otherwise." You just proved my point thank you
I have been reading these blogs off and on and the comment deletions are incredibly ridiculous. Some of my comments never were posted, others deleted. What is Kirby hiding?
People need to realize that opinion and fact are two very different terms. What "facts" have been posted that PRS or Paranormal State has faked anything? I havent seen anything more than opinionated posts by Kirby. As for editing on a TV show? Did you expect the world not to realize that editing is a part of the process of a TV show or do you sincerely believe that the investigation is only 30 minutes?
People have the right not to like the show or PRS, but claiming that they are a disgrace is a bit ridiculous. What the hell are you comparing to? The entire field of the paranormal is unknown and any one of you bastards who think you know it all is a liar. If you know for a fact something about the paranormal, you better be presenting some evidence to support your fact.
Kirby claims to deal with demons, how are we to believe that? What evidence or proof does he have to show us that he himself has ever battled and investigated with demons? How can he say what is a demon and what is not? I sincerely doubt that he has irrefutable proof that he has ever encountered or battled a demon. Instead, we must take his word for it.
How many of these people have actually contacted or spoken with PRS, better yet, how many have actually been on a case with PRS to offer first hand accounts that PRS fakes their show? So far, I have seen a "client" that honestly sounded completely off her rocker. I also believe that she herself had a motive from the beginning. Also, other clients have been to your MySpace Kirby and stated that you are wrong about PRS, these people have had the opportunity to work with them. You chose to ignore them and, in fact, your workers (Ghost Divas and Ghost Hunters Inc) attacked them saying that they were merely paid to keep their mouth shut. There was no evidence to support their attack. How does one client weigh over the voice of many others?
Personally, this sounds like you have only been looking for anything that might suit your point of view that Paranormal State is fake rather than the truth. From the looks of others comments (ironically the only ones in your favor are those that apparently did the research with you) you are not being well received with your research.
If you want the truth, Kirby, perhaps you learn to do research yourself rather than taking the word of those that are known to lie and discredit for the sake of their own ratings (Ghost Hunters Inc and Ghost Divas)?
With every new "Issue" your argument grows more and more desperate for approval of others.
the "truth" commented:
"From the looks of others comments (ironically the only ones in your favor are those that apparently did the research with you) you are not being well received with your research.
If you want the truth, Kirby, perhaps you learn to do research yourself rather than taking the word of those that are known to lie and discredit for the sake of their own ratings (Ghost Hunters Inc and Ghost Divas)?"
fwiw, i am not a member of the paranormal community. i am not associated in any way with anyone IN the paranormal community.
i wonder just how many of the most vocal supporters of these shows can say the same.
i am just a member of the television viewing audience.
i firmly believe that every paranormal TV show out there today is scripted and/or just plain faked.
i don't rely on anyone's research other than what i see with my own two eyes.
paranormal state is particularly odious because this show and this group pander to various of their paranormal peers (on the show AND on the internet) to help promote and further those people's agendas in the (very lucrative* due to the *incredibly massive amount of gullible morons out there) paranormal industry.
the saddest part about it all is that if most of you people weren't so easily duped none of these shows would have lasted this long.
they way things look, there are far too many people who are ready willing and able to fork over their money to supposed psychics like chip coffey -- among the thousands of other 'psychics' out there. they're ready to buy the latest bullshit paranormal talking oval or box or GHOST meter du jour.
...the PRS groupies and the ghosthunters groupies being amongst the MOST gullible -- and brainwashed to boot.
the truth really IS out there, but many of you are just too brainwashed to see it.
BOO! DONT QUIT WHAT WILL I READ NOW?
I left some comments on another site under neath the letter by kirby who was telling the deception of prs on his episode. I can back him up with facts that his so called dead time did not start at 3:00 am like the show stated but really at 11:30. but my comments were taken down by the author. I wonder who is afraid of the truth.
Have you seen the You tube of Ryan asking for prayers for LAura and her family in Quincy IL? I can't believe that sham is still going strong here is the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMBx2a_Ko2U&feature=related
You can just paste it, I guess. I was so mad when I saw that. That attention whore is still at it!
"What evidence or proof does he have to show us that he himself has ever battled and investigated with demons? How can he say what is a demon and what is not?"
Well, there WAS that "incident" with Rob & Big's wooden cat. That's not enough proof for you?
::::snicker::::
Get a life!
All this back and forth just makes me really sad. All the fighting is this community is ridiculous. What about the "real" paranormal? I know it is real. I have seen it and I have felt it. For goodness sake just report the facts and that's it! People don't need to embellish the paranormal to make it interesting or compelling.
Demons are real and once you see or hear one you NEVER want to encounter one ever again, enough said.
I am just wondering if the priest that is used on paranormal state is a catholic priest??i know that the catholic church does not condone this nor would they ever turn to Ryan to do an exocism on thier behalf. Also a catholic priest is aways called fATHER does not go by minister. I think it is sad because paranormal state always say that these are true stories not fiction and they use the word God so many times. There are true psyics out there that want to help others. I watch TAPPs and what i like about them is 99% of the time they debunk things and there is no screaming. Many times they tell the clients that they do not know or that they cannot explain it. 99% of the time they say "we cannot say this place is haunted because we dont have facts thatv can be seen, feelings just is not a reason to say something is haunted. I also do not see ego's out of control. I did watch en episode on paranormal state when Ryan belittled his cast. I was shocked to see such behavior, that is when I knew that he has a narcistic personality, and after that episode I felt bad for the staff. I do hope that someone out there will explain that there are real people that have real psychic abilities. I have also watched Chippy get frustrated and lead children to say what he wants them to say, so who are the real demons out there..to me demons pray on children and the weak. when you reach out for help you do not expect someone to betray your trust. the sad part is my grandmother always would say you can catch a thief very easy but a liar is another story. the truth never changes..lies do and chip and the rest of the liars on paranormal state need to remember one very important thing "if you are going to be a good liar you need to have a good memory" you are getting caught because you cannot remember you lies..I wonder how Kelly Ryan feels about the trust she has in Michelle Belanger being betrayed he way it was and spending time giving Michelle a reading making her a sweater that took two years and then Michelle turning against her the way she did..that is even lower than chip and ryan. i guess Michelle is a friend to no one..but what goes around comes around..the truth will show itself as long as people stand up for what is honest..this is very very sad. To betray a persons trust is one of the worst things we can do to another human being. but check out that priest deal..just call any real catholic church because there is a book that list all priest in the U.S.. I still do not believe that the catolic church condones any of this . they would never ask Ryan or any lay person to do any type of demon work on behalf of them.
jacob Carr
I think that PRS is probably full of crap, but, I believe that Kelli is full of crap as well. Her letter is pretty much a rambling mess. The letter also seems to be more of an outlet for her to puff herself up as some kind of uberpsychic who is so much better than others. So, yeah, I think they are all full of crap paradivas arguing about who has the biggest paranormal balls.
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